P Platers now allowed to drive Turbo and supercharged vehicles in QLD.

[TIMM3H]

After 5 years of incompetence the Queensland government has finally seen the light and made some more exceptions to its overly strict P Plate laws, you may now be eligible to drive Moderately-powered turbocharged or supercharged vehicles under the following conditions

You may apply for a certificate of exemption if the vehicle you wish to drive meets all of the following:

• has a turbocharged or supercharged engine that is not diesel powered
• has a power-to-weight ratio of not more than 125kW/t
• does not have any other features of a high-powered vehicle as outlined above.
The power-to-weight ratio means the ratio (expressed in kilowatts per tonne) calculated by dividing the car’s maximum engine power in kilowatts by the kerb weight and multiplying the product of the division by 1000. For example, the power to weight ratio of a vehicle that has a maximum engine power of 195kW and a kerb weight of 1667kg would be calculated as follows: (195÷1667) × 1000 = 117kW/tonne

This means that many cars such as supercharged or turbocharged Mercedes, Audi’s and Volvo’s with great 4 and 5 star Ancap ratings are now available to P Plate drivers.

sauce: http://www.tmr.qld.gov.au/Licensing/...-vehicles.aspx

[MrSheep]

Good news for Queenslander's then. I wish down here in Melbourne the rules were like that, but unfortunately that isn't the case.

When will the government just realise that better teaching will help keep our roads safer?

[AusHiede]

Yes but that involves them spending MONEY, and we all know how much they like that.

In other news, move to Tassie - you can drive anything on your P's here, from old clunky TRDLZR's to Twin Turbo Gallardo's if you have the cash.

[Stazza_Brendan]

LOL, So by my maths and wikipedia specs
R32 GTST, Makes 158kw standard and has curb weight of 1280kg (both figures from wiki)
158 divide 1280 = 0.1234375
0.1234375 x 1000 = 123.4375kW/Tonne

[TIMM3H]

LOL, So by my maths and wikipedia specs
R32 GTST, Makes 158kw standard and has curb weight of 1280kg (both figures from wiki)
158 divide 1280 = 0.1234375
0.1234375 x 1000 = 123.4375kW/Tonne

correct, and due to the age of your 32, you would have lost a few kw/ponies over the years so it would be lower.(without mods of course)

[OPTIMUS PRIME]

****ING YES! first car is now going to be turbo, win!

[Rake]

Are the exemptions per-vehicle or, if you have an exemption, can you drive any car?

Would driving history be a factor of consideration?

Favourable news though. Go QLD! All the more to love your state for.

[mauswerkz]

Next they need to drop the ridiculous and DANGEROUS speed limits for L's and P's. I never had to do L's or P's due to moving here from overseas, and I thought it was a stupid idea since I found out about it. It's esspecially dangerous to learners on motorcycles. It's hard to make being an inexperienced rider more dangerous than to make it a legal requiremnt to do up to 30kph UNDER the speed limit. Motorcycles are known for being invisble to the majority of motorists as it is. I'm surprised we don't hear about them getting plowed into more often.

[OPTIMUS PRIME]

Wait, this is just the regular exemption that every state has...
http://www.support.transport.qld.gov.au/qt/formsdat.nsf/forms/FS4478/$file/S4478_ES.pdf

we were always allowed to do this, its not just bam drive a turbo car if it has less than 125kw to a ton, its here fill this out if you are elegible you may drive a turbo car...

[OPTIMUS PRIME]

Next they need to drop the ridiculous and DANGEROUS speed limits for L's and P's. I never had to do L's or P's due to moving here from overseas, and I thought it was a stupid idea since I found out about it. It's esspecially dangerous to learners on motorcycles. It's hard to make being an inexperienced rider more dangerous than to make it a legal requiremnt to do up to 30kph UNDER the speed limit. Motorcycles are known for being invisble to the majority of motorists as it is. I'm surprised we don't hear about them getting plowed into more often.

we never had the speed limits for L's and P's in QLD, we were always allowed to go whatever the sign says.

[Stazza_Brendan]

Looks like getting the exemption is easy now. I dont think this part was in the exemption rules before.

Eligibility
You may be eligible for an exemption to drive a high-powered
vehicle if you are able to prove that one of the following
circumstances applies to you.
1. Moderately-powered turbocharged or supercharged
vehicle
You may apply for a certificate of exemption if the car you
wish to drive meets all the following:
 has a turbocharged or supercharged engine that is not
diesel powered
 has a power-to-weight ratio of not more than
125kW/tonne
 does not have any other features of a high-powered
vehicle as defined above.

So straight away if the car is under 125kw per tonne your eligible.

[Skilltrain]

Yeah those limits for L's and P's are in NSW only i believe, does anyone actually go by them though..? Besides the L's on the hume with their mummy and daddys?

[TIMM3H]

Looks like getting the exemption is easy now. I dont think this part was in the exemption rules before.

So straight away if the car is under 125kw per tonne your eligible.

Correct, If you have a car that is under 125kw/t you are eligible to drive THAT vehicle.

This is going to confuse the police though. How are they going to enforce this?
Before, a police officer would see a front mount inter cooler and the P-Plate, see you later restricted.

Now, its going to be, P-Plater with front mount.
Whats the car, what is its stock maximum kw output.
What is its stick weight
maths (kw/weight x1000).
Will do their head in.

For example.
A Nissan Skyline R32 GTST produces 123.4 kw from factory.
I reflash the ECU, wind up the boost, Im now pushing 135kw.
I get pulled over from mister policeman, he suspects my car is over the 125kw/t limit gives me a defect notice.
I go back and reflash, wind down my boost so its now under the limit.
Run a dyno proof its under 125kw/t, show police, no fine.
Go back to and reflash ecu, wind boost up.

Unless they have rolling dyno stations at defect stations there job just got a whole lot harder.

[mr.vtec]

**** yes! Bye bye dc2! Sileighty here i come!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Skilltrain]

This is going to confuse the police though. How are they going to enforce this?
Before, a police officer would see a front mount inter cooler and the P-Plate, see you later restricted.

Now, its going to be, P-Plater with front mount.
Whats the car, what is its stock maximum kw output.
What is its stick weight
maths (kw/weight x1000).
Will do their head in.

For example.
A Nissan Skyline R32 GTST produces 123.4 kw from factory.
I reflash the ECU, wind up the boost, Im now pushing 135kw.
I get pulled over from mister policeman, he suspects my car is over the 125kw/t limit gives me a defect notice.
I go back and reflash, wind down my boost so its now under the limit.
Run a dyno proof its under 125kw/t, show police, no fine.
Go back to and reflash ecu, wind boost up.

Unless they have rolling dyno stations at defect stations there job just got a whole lot harder.

Do you really want to have to do that any pay for a dyno run each time you get pulled over by the police?