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  • Hyde
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    After a run with dirt bikes I'm buying my first road bike in a few weeks. Wanted an RGV 250 since I was 17, I'm 32 now haha so I'm buying one. There is a heap of them for sale on Trade Me now, there used to be maybe two or three, and they were usually crap, now there is like a dozen with a couple of really tidy ones for not much money. I'll be on my learners but don't really care tbh about LAMS.

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  • tekkentool
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    Originally posted by mutton_wizard View Post
    the limited speeds for learners and p platers are ****ing stupid.

    no wonder nobody know how to merge anymore.
    I've never...ever driven at 80 when the speed limit was higher. Limiting P platers to 80 just means you'll have a whole lot of obstructions causing bizarre behaviour from other traffic...and a whole lot of P platers with no plates up (that was me hehehe)

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  • mutton_wizard
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    the limited speeds for learners and p platers are ****ing stupid.

    no wonder nobody know how to merge anymore.

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  • flyingdutchy
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    They have roads like that too. Thats where they put the limits on. But then a little government incentive and voila: superwide autobahn being built on the bits that matter.

    But to just say: we cant do it because we cant build roads isnt a valid reason.

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  • 21maclaid
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    the difference between germany and australia is the quality of the roads, we dont have autobahns we have a single lane each way with a pot hole every few meters, doing much more than 130-140 kmh from sydney to bathurst is suicidal

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  • flyingdutchy
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    Originally posted by EP82_NZ View Post
    Hi there, Looking at getting my motorbike license in the future so keeping myself up to date with all the "happenings" in motorbike news and licensing.

    I'm in New Zealand and at the moment the laws for L plate and restricted (similar to p plate) are limited to 250cc and under bikes as well as only being able to go 70kmh on your learners etc...
    However as of october they are changing these 2 laws to anything under 660cc engine can be used on your learners or restricted as long it was a power to weight ration of 150kw/tonne. The 70kmh rule has also been revoked on learner licenses

    My question is. Which do you guys find to be the most sensible/practicle. I'm a bit stumped and was wondering what the *experts* thought
    Thanks
    The L plate thign and P plate thing never seizes to amaze me. How the heck are you supposed to gain experience when your speeds and distances are measured with a calender? I mean its not like it really prepapres you for the actual speedlimit. it simply teaches you to do all sorts of tricks and fabrications in order not to piss off other motorists while dodging fines.

    In germany you can do 250kmhs if you just got your license, and you wont lose it. I'm pleased to report that German drivers are amongst europe's finest and that Germany has NOT collapsed in totall anarchy. We don't see streams of blood running paralell to the autobahn , and in fact, everybody is doing fine.

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  • Molrokenlov
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    Miki the UK roads are too small for even a medium sized bike. I have no Idea how you guys manage to fit cars and buses and things on them too

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  • DevZed
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    Originally posted by EP82_NZ View Post
    Ahh ok, so you don't think the law allowing first time riders to buy a 660cc bike isn't irresponsible?
    Also does the power to weight ratio of the 150/tonne seem high or about right? i.e. not too powerful for first time rider?
    Do you feel that the LAMS works in Aus?
    Thanks rake
    too powerful for someone that is like 60kg probably, if i was to ride I'd need a pretty ****ing big bike JS.

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  • Miki
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    I wish it was like this in UK, I am stuck with 125cc bikes until I'm 24 unless I pass my Module 1 and 2 test before 2013 but that's too expensive to do.

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  • Wallie
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    this would mean a Harley would be legal correct? in SA its just under 250cc but you can have a device that limits a larger capacity engine as long as its professionally installed. so a 500cc harley is a no go.

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  • tekkentool
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    Be glad bro, it means the godly presence of the RVF400 may not grace your learner market.

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  • Dug
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    Wait do you guys need to have a separate license to drive a motorcycle in Aus? Here you need to pass a test and everything to get a motorcycle license and then your free to drive whatever street-legal bike you please. I believe you need to be old enough to have a full license though.
    Yes both car and bike qualification require separate Learner and restricted licence steps for each vehicle type. I'm not sure if you do the written road rules test twice, I got my car / bike licence in NZ so it just required doing the written test to show I understood the Australian rules when I moved over and I got a licence indicating the two classes of vehicle.

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  • Rake
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    I think my 250 is old and slow and even that's proven enough to get me into trouble.

    I prefer the sports bikes, given my size and weight I can't really see the need for anything up around the litre range. (That said, I'd exclude your big cruisers, but they're built for long open roads, so lazy torquey comfort/touring, not revvy speed and sport).

    I rode a litre bike a few weeks ago and, good lord. And that was only a quick minute spin with nowhere near enough road to crack open the throttle properly.

    150kw/tonne, on a bike that weighs 200kg, means an engine with only 30kw. Keep in mind too bikes bias towards power over torque, so the relationship between the two is skewed when compared to a car (which past rules dictate a threshold of 125kw/tonne).

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  • Dug
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    I'm fine with those rules.
    How safe a bike is, depends on the rider. A lot of the eligible 250cc bikes are very capable motor cycles, that if ridden over confidently will get a learner in as much trouble as a 660cc bike.

    A 660cc bike will in some ways be easier to ride. It will be easier to get rolling, it will have better slow speed stability, it will be less prone to side winds and buffeting from trucks.

    I got my bike licence in NZ on a 125cc four stroke with 16hp and I jumped to a 100hp 750cc the moment I had a full licence, so being able to learn on a 660cc bike makes sense to me if you intend to jump to a bigger machine straight away.

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  • AusHiede
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    Originally posted by lphilp View Post
    Queensland does too.
    Tasmania as well, so it seems just about everyone does - its a sensible scheme

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